MONDAY 01/23

[birthmark]

Any one following DRYS lately?!
Wow... down to 5.28 from 8

(after reverse split)

[walnut]

Mist, can you tell me the trades you made today and the times that you made them?

[theMist]

Jan 23, 2017 21:05:14 GMT -5 walnut said:

Mist, can you tell me the trades you made today and the times that you made them?

Sure, I'm up about $5400 today.  Not bad for a days work hanging out with you guys.  And if I can do this everyday, would be fantastic.  But honestly, if I just stuck to trading and didn't post calls and didn't post updated charts every 5 mins here at FAZ, I probably would have done a little better.  Lot of uploading, copy and pasting etc. and you tend to take your eyes off real time action and not fully concentrate.   But want you to get a feel for how I trade.  

If you recall my first trade started to go against me and I averaged in more and more and when it went profitable I should've dumped the entire position instead of leaving a little on the table BUT I did that just in case dropped lower.
EOD, I was short approx 30k going into the close and closed out 25k shares before market close.  In AH I closed out the remaining 5k shares short TVIX and got it at 6.03.  I had a good end of day run.  But going forward, I want to try to minimize my trades even more and not try to time every little turn.  I knew by end of day TVIX was going to retest all time lows.

See attached excel doc.  Let me know what you think.  Didn't let me attach so here it is below.  If you know of a way I can attach the spreedsheet or if this is good enough let me know.   It said something about this forum exceed size limit

Symbol Action Note Tax Lot # Order # Qty Order Price Total Time Completed Trade Date Settlement Date

TVIX Sold Short Processing XCH612620170123 10000 $6.20 61,990.46 11:06:54 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XBH619720170123 4000 $6.19 24,752.00 11:10:58 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XQH096020170123 100 $6.24 616.98 11:15:51 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XQH096020170123 100 $6.24 623.98 11:15:51 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XQH096020170123 900 $6.24 5,615.77 11:15:51 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XQH096020170123 200 $6.24 1,247.96 11:15:51 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XQH096020170123 600 $6.24 3,743.85 11:15:51 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XQH096020170123 500 $6.24 3,119.88 11:15:51 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XQH096020170123 500 $6.24 3,119.88 11:15:51 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XQH096020170123 100 $6.24 623.98 11:15:51 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XQH096020170123 1000 $6.24 6,239.75 11:15:51 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XBH624720170123 4000 $6.25 24,991.99 11:31:58 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XKH551720170123 200 $6.30 1,251.96 11:41:35 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XKH551720170123 200 $6.30 1,258.96 11:41:35 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XKH551720170123 200 $6.30 1,258.95 11:41:35 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XKH551720170123 200 $6.30 1,258.96 11:41:35 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XKH551720170123 100 $6.29 628.98 11:41:35 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XKH551720170123 200 $6.29 1,257.95 11:41:35 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XKH551720170123 300 $6.29 1,886.93 11:41:35 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XKH551720170123 200 $6.29 1,257.95 11:41:35 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XKH551720170123 200 $6.29 1,257.96 11:41:35 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XKH551720170123 200 $6.29 1,257.96 11:41:35 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XKH551720170123 200 $6.29 1,257.95 11:41:35 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XKH551720170123 200 $6.29 1,257.96 11:41:35 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XKH551720170123 300 $6.29 1,886.92 11:41:35 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XKH551720170123 300 $6.29 1,886.93 11:41:35 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XKG225620170123 3000 $6.40 19,192.24 11:51:19 AM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XRE316620170123 2000 $6.30 12,592.50 12:31:18 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XID382520170123 200 $6.21 1,249.00 1:33:52 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XID382520170123 100 $6.21 621 1:33:52 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XID382520170123 100 $6.21 621 1:33:52 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XID382520170123 200 $6.21 1,242.00 1:33:52 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XID382520170123 900 $6.21 5,589.00 1:33:52 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XID382520170123 100 $6.21 621 1:33:52 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XID382520170123 23400 $6.21 145,314.00 1:33:52 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XAA351920170123 5000 $6.18 30,891.74 2:04:17 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XVA240920170123 300 $6.23 1,861.93 2:13:19 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XVA240920170123 100 $6.23 622.98 2:13:19 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XVA240920170123 500 $6.23 3,114.93 2:13:19 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XVA240920170123 4100 $6.23 25,542.37 2:13:19 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 200 $6.26 1,244.96 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 100 $6.26 625.98 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 100 $6.26 625.98 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 200 $6.26 1,251.95 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 100 $6.26 625.98 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 200 $6.26 1,251.96 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 94 $6.26 588.42 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 200 $6.26 1,251.95 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 100 $6.26 625.98 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 1000 $6.26 6,259.75 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 5 $6.26 31.3 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 400 $6.26 2,503.90 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 400 $6.26 2,503.91 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 500 $6.26 3,129.88 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 200 $6.26 1,251.95 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 200 $6.26 1,251.96 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 100 $6.26 625.98 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 500 $6.26 3,129.88 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 200 $6.26 1,251.95 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 200 $6.26 1,251.96 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XFC315520170123 1 $6.26 6.26 2:17:50 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XLG265620170123 5000 $6.25 31,241.73 2:21:29 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XAG351220170123 100 $6.26 618.98 2:22:59 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XAG351220170123 100 $6.26 625.98 2:22:59 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XAG351220170123 200 $6.26 1,251.96 2:22:59 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XAG351220170123 175 $6.26 1,095.46 2:22:59 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XAG351220170123 200 $6.26 1,251.95 2:22:59 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XAG351220170123 400 $6.26 2,503.91 2:22:59 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XAG351220170123 400 $6.26 2,503.90 2:22:59 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XAG351220170123 225 $6.26 1,408.44 2:22:59 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XAG351220170123 200 $6.26 1,251.96 2:22:59 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XAG351220170123 197 $6.26 1,233.17 2:22:59 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XAG351220170123 100 $6.26 625.98 2:22:59 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XAG351220170123 148 $6.26 926.44 2:22:59 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XAG351220170123 175 $6.26 1,095.46 2:22:59 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XAG351220170123 100 $6.26 625.98 2:22:59 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XAG351220170123 80 $6.26 500.78 2:22:59 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XAG351220170123 200 $6.26 1,251.96 2:22:59 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Sold Short Processing XED326720170123 2000 $6.28 12,552.50 2:24:48 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XUF714920170123 201 $6.09 1,231.09 3:59:30 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XUF714920170123 113 $6.09 688.17 3:59:30 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XKG300820170123 700 $6.10 4,277.00 3:59:48 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XKG300820170123 1100 $6.10 6,710.00 3:59:48 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XKG300820170123 900 $6.10 5,490.00 3:59:48 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XKG300820170123 700 $6.10 4,270.00 3:59:48 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XKG300820170123 600 $6.10 3,660.00 3:59:48 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XKG300820170123 3000 $6.10 18,300.00 3:59:48 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XKG300820170123 800 $6.10 4,880.00 3:59:48 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XKG300820170123 400 $6.10 2,440.00 3:59:48 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XKG300820170123 300 $6.10 1,830.00 3:59:48 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XKG300820170123 2000 $6.10 12,200.00 3:59:48 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XKG300820170123 4000 $6.10 24,400.00 3:59:48 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XKG300820170123 600 $6.10 3,660.00 3:59:48 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XKG300820170123 2086 $6.10 12,724.60 3:59:48 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XKG300820170123 7500 $6.10 45,750.00 3:59:48 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

TVIX Bought to Cover Processing XJG313120170123 5000 $6.03 30,157.00 4:31:02 PM 1/23/2017 1/26/2017

[walnut]

Thanks, I'm just trying to get a better handle on your patterns of thinking (in other words how you did it)

Wondering if we are thinking the same way

[theMist]

When I posted in the afternoon that TVIX would be a good reshort again at 6.30, I should have put the trade on first and then posted.  By the time I snipped my chart, saved it and then uploaded it to tinypic (which takes forever), and typed out a post, it already started to roll over again and I didn't nail the exact peak but did catch the run down from there into end of day and new all time lows for VIX SCAMs

[theMist]

I've been very lucky to have very few losing days and I've been good at minimizing loses and maximize gains. 

When I chased uvxy to upside last time I gave back 5k of profits.  Thats when I posted was going back to what I do best - day trade. 

Since then I recouped the 5k and even added another 7k.  A 12k run since last week since I switched back to day trading. 

Hope this helps.  You probably think I'm an over analyzing, overtrading nut. Lol.  And obviously I use a lot of market orders. 

Remember I was an I.T manager for many years. We tend to dot our 'i' and cross our 't'.      Lol

[walnut]

It looks like basically the same I would have been thinking. But you are bolder about it for sure.

Hindsight is definitely 20-20, so it is impossible to say "what I would have done". But that seems like I think I would have done it.

I'm planning on day trading again, and keeping some short. Just been too busy with work to do it.

[theMist]

The key to my boldness is watching vix futures. They hardly budged with today's selling.  Maintained normal contango curve.  And it doesn't hurt to be up a lot as well (house money).

And S&P is not falling off cliff yet and is selling and then hitting support and bouncing.    That takes air out of scams.  

You can literally time your short scam entries based off of where S&P hits support. 

But there will be a time very soon IMO that boldly averaging up your short scam will not work and will run against you and get stopped out for loss. Thats when I expect the real spike (with gap fill) and S&P selloff to happen.  I just hope I'm able to see it beforehand. 

[theMist]

Here is last Tuesday's trading - I believe Wednesday and Thursday of last week were quiet days with not much trading.

It was a better setup with VIX SCAMs up in premarket.  I love when they are up in premarket and I have my best trading days when they are up in pre.  

BTW - that reminds me - did you ever get a chance to see if IB has shares to short from 6am-7am EST?

Tuesday, if you recall, was the day when you said to me "your short must be looking good".  I also had to take my wife to doctor that day around 2pm EST (knowing that I didn't go too aggressive) and covered most of my shares when it hit $6.58.  Came back from doctor and saw them back up again and reshorted again.  lol  I find its better for me to snap a pic of days trading and post it.  See below.  I'll talk to you in the morning.

[walnut]

IB has changed their format, I had trouble figuring out how many are available to short. Used to be real easy to tell. I am gonna have to study this some more again.

[walnut]

well at this moment IB has 250,000 UVXY shares available, and millions of VXX, but zero TVIX available to short.

[theMist]

Jan 24, 2017 8:27:27 GMT -5 walnut said:

IB has changed their format, I had trouble figuring out how many are available to short. Used to be real easy to tell. I am gonna have to study this some more again.

Last Tuesday, TVIX was trading at 7.00-7.05 in premarket from 6am EST-7am EST.  I was unable to get shares to short during that time.  By the time Scottrade had them available around 7:12am EST.  TVIX was already trading in the 6.90-6.94 range.

See above trades for that day.

Would be very helpful if I could get shares to short TVIX, UVXY from 6am-7am EST.

[theMist]

Jan 24, 2017 8:38:37 GMT -5 walnut said:

well at this moment IB has 250,000 UVXY shares available, and millions of VXX, but zero TVIX available to short.

I have found that VXX is always available for short.   TVIX is the most difficult out of all 3 of them.  

Need this info from 6am -7am EST if /when you are able to take a look.   Would appreciate.  Thx.